Invert Sugar

[Winker]

Winkler,
You've given two methods of boiling up syrup. It may be a pleasant passtime for you for 5 hives but it isn't viable if, like Finman, you need 1000kg of the stuff and expensive in heat if it isn't required. Finman is not a hobby beekeeper.

Incidentally, now you've given us two methods, which one do you use and have you measured HMF as a result of boiling?

For me, sugar syrup goes into the hive. Bees survive.
AND to please Nic, the sugar doesn't come from Tescos.

I use the method where you put in 10ml of Lemon juice per Kilo of sugar and bring the mixture slowly up to 114c, then just let it cool down.

I also said in post 26 "But if i had more than 10 hives i would be buying it in rather than making it"

I am working my way towards 60 hives, once i get past 10 hives, which i will have this season comming. I intened to buy the inverted syrup in.

 

[Finman]

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Magic, lemon juice and sugar! And bees survive.

I cannot find from google any evidence which would support your idea.

I have used lemonjuice in pollen patty for years but I do not know does it help anything. C vitamin perhaps.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

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Magic, lemon juice and sugar! And bees survive.

Well it it works bl**dy wonders for pancakes so why not!

 

[Into the lions den]

We would even be prepared to consider arranging for our own carrier to collect in GB if the sums work out.

James Flint got back to me today and will come to see me to discuss this in the next couple of weeks. After last season I am not in a position to fund large stockholdings (and even if I was I would buy hives rather than stock syrup), so we are going to discuss how to organise direct supply from the factory in Belgium for those clients looking for upwards of one pallet, which is the minimum viable sending.

It will be a couple more weeks till I post on the subject again. This will have no commercial involvement from myself and is purely to help those of you who wish to do so to get supplies at a fair price.

 

[Black Comb]

Thanks for your efforts on this.

 

[mbc]

Thanks for your efforts on this.

How much is a pallet ?

 

[Into the lions den]

How much is a pallet ?

Way too early to say, and by then I will have no involvement. Like I say, give it a couple of weeks please.

I am very aware that this thread is treading a fine line about the 'commercial post' rules and am trying not to cross it if possible.

 

[Winker]

James Flint got back to me today and will come to see me to discuss this in the next couple of weeks. After last season I am not in a position to fund large stockholdings (and even if I was I would buy hives rather than stock syrup), so we are going to discuss how to organise direct supply from the factory in Belgium for those clients looking for upwards of one pallet, which is the minimum viable sending.

It will be a couple more weeks till I post on the subject again. This will have no commercial involvement from myself and is purely to help those of you who wish to do so to get supplies at a fair price.

as i said to you in the PM, i am willing to stock a few ton at a time, if I can source it at a low enough price. I would only be willing to supply the hobby beekeepers as I feel that larger beekeepers can source their own, and being the trading manager for my local BKA I'm running out of space fast.

 

[Winker]

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Magic, lemon juice and sugar! And bees survive.

I cannot find from google any evidence which would support your idea.

I have used lemonjuice in pollen patty for years but I do not know does it help anything. C vitamin perhaps.

I take it when you studied for "biochemictry" you sat at the back of the classroom

 

[drstitson]

with the raffia!

 

[Nic Rhodes]

AND to please Nic, the sugar doesn't come from Tescos.

Thank you

 

[dpearce4]

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Magic, lemon juice and sugar! And bees survive.

I cannot find from google any evidence which would support your idea.

I have used lemonjuice in pollen patty for years but I do not know does it help anything. C vitamin perhaps.

add water and you have homemade lemonade.

 

[mbc]

Originally Posted by mbc

How much is a pallet ?

Way too early to say, and by then I will have no involvement. Like I say, give it a couple of weeks please.



Poor english again, sorry !
What I meant was "what size/weight is a pallet".

 

[MuswellMetro]

Originally Posted by mbc

How much is a pallet ?

Way too early to say, and by then I will have no involvement. Like I say, give it a couple of weeks please.

Poor english again, sorry !
What I meant was "what size/weight is a pallet".

dont know about apisuc but a pallett of Ambrosia contains 60x 12.5k jerry cans or a 1000L pallatised container ( returnable)

we paid £13.20 ( i think) per 12.5k can which hold about 2 gallons of amrosia syrup which was £1.06 per Kilo as opposed to a single jerry can 12.5kg at £34 ish delivered from a main beekeeping supplier @ ABOUT £2.75 PER Kg

our BKA bought two palletts worth in August

 

[Finman]

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I looked uk price for Ambrosia fondat. 2.5 kg = 5 pounds.
It is over douple price for sugar.

Never mind. Here pure bottle water cost more than milk litre.

He is not stupid who asks but it is who pays.

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When you have there so warm that bees can gather pollen, you may feed 66% syrup to fill hive's stores if they are low. You need not fondant.

If you feed 1:1 syrup, it adds water and moisture in the hive because bees need to dry up the syrup.

 

[UEAHoneyBeeMan]

dont know about apisuc but a pallett of Ambrosia contains 60x 12.5k jerry cans or a 1000L pallatised container ( returnable)

we paid £13.20 ( i think) per 12.5k can which hold about 2 gallons of amrosia syrup which was £1.06 per Kilo as opposed to a single jerry can 12.5kg at £34 ish delivered from a main beekeeping supplier @ ABOUT £2.75 PER Kg

our BKA bought two palletts worth in August

We used Ambrosia for the first time last year and paid £13.20 per jerry can when we purchased a 60 can pallet.

It worked really well for convenience and ease of use, not having to stand and mix litre upon litre of 2:1 syrup.
If there are other alternatives out there I would certainly prefer using premixed than making it up myself even though I have just 20 colonies.

In the absence of an alternative I will stick with Ambrosia again.
I make my own fondant as I never need a lot, the bees are usually well stocked by late September with enough stores to see them through to spring. I just top up the light ones.

 

[Finman]

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We have a system where tank truck delivers 67% syrup to beekeepers.
That truck drives on my street too because it bring winter food to my neighbour.

Biggest problem is that I shoul have a one cubic container somewhere waiting the transport. I have not room for that kind of store system. then that container hang there wte whole year.

My time is not so expencive that I have not time to buy sugar and mix it into water.

When I count my money and I mix sugar to wter, it is pure money.

When I make honey and sell it, perhaps my producing cost are 8 units when I get 10 units.

100 kg honey x 7 euros is about a sum what I pay for winter food.
But if my netto win is 20% i would sell 500 kg honey to get pure money what I get when I mix my sugar.

 

[Finman]

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I called to my neigbour who uses tank truck syrup service.
His sugar is 2.10 euros/kg and I have 0.8 E/ kg

The service cost is 2.6 fold.

 

[mbc]

dont know about apisuc but a pallett of Ambrosia contains 60x 12.5k jerry cans or a 1000L pallatised container ( returnable)

we paid £13.20 ( i think) per 12.5k can which hold about 2 gallons of amrosia syrup which was £1.06 per Kilo as opposed to a single jerry can 12.5kg at £34 ish delivered from a main beekeeping supplier @ ABOUT £2.75 PER Kg

our BKA bought two palletts worth in August

Thanks MM

 

[Finman]

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I looked closer you Ambrosia price. 25 kg bag is 35 pounds. It has 73% sugar.
I got a sugar price 1.4 pound a kilo. Our sugar price is 0.7 Br pound a kilo.

ambrosia seems to be douple compared to sugar price. It is same as we have here in 2.5 kg bag. So you have higher price in Ambrosia.
All convince me that British beeks are richer than we here.

Danske Sucker owns our only sugar factory.