In the spirit of Xmas, Raw honey maybe 😊

[Patrick1]

A friend sent me this, only in America could this happen.................................I hope !

 

[Erichalfbee]

yes...there's quite a bit about in different guises

 

[Boston Bees]

I love the implication that 7,500 bees would somehow have been minced up in order to make that jar of honey, if they hadn't stepped in and provided an alternative.

 

[The Poot]

Reading the blurb, what surprised me was that the apples didn’t need any hives.

 

[Nannysbees]

How does that even work? Why has it saved 7500 bees??

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Reading the blurb, what surprised me was that the apples didn’t need any hives.

According to a very knowledgeable gentleman I met years ago at a stand promoting herefordshire heritage apples and their protection, apple trees will cope with pollination quite happily without honeybee intervention, but the presence of honeybees leads to a much better quality apple

 

[Wilco]

Can we put all these people who insist on lab dependent food in a wilderness and see how long they last?

 

[Murox]

Many fruit trees, pears and apples in particular are self pollinating, but bumbles and apis amongst others are needed for a lot as well.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Can we put all these people who insist on lab dependent food in a wilderness and see how long they last?

A more worthwhile rewilding project?

 

[Boston Bees]

Can we put all these people who insist on lab dependent food in a wilderness and see how long they last?

This isn't lab dependent food, it's apple juice and sugar.

 

[Poly Hive]

Worse I saw a link on FB to an Israeli company purporting to be able to supply artificial honey from nectar....

PH

 

[Wilco]

This isn't lab dependent food, it's apple juice and sugar.

Highly processed artificial food 'substitutes' then.

 

[The Poot]

According to a very knowledgeable gentleman I met years ago at a stand promoting herefordshire heritage apples and their protection, apple trees will cope with pollination quite happily without honeybee intervention, but the presence of honeybees leads to a much better quality apple

Sorry Jenks, I was being obtuse, imagining apples living in hives. Just my warped imagination playing tricks on me

 

[Moobee]

I believe it’s called foney……

 

[Bumbling Keeper]

Many fruit trees, pears and apples in particular are self pollinating, but bumbles and apis amongst others are needed for a lot as well.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/humans-bees-china_n_570404b3e4b083f5c6092ba9Pesticide use...
There's a difference between 'self-fertile' and 'self-pollinating'. Most apples and pears can be pollinated with pollen from other flowers on the same tree and some need another tree nearby (or within bee-flying distance). But very few apples or pears are actually self-pollinating. There may be some incidental pollination that takes place because of the close proximity of other flowers, but the flowers themselves don't self-pollinate. Self-pollinating species actually grow the pistil through the anthers after the initial emergence of the flower. Nature's preference in these species is for cross pollination and the self-pollination is an emergency measure that kicks in nearer the end of the flowering season if the flower remains unpollinated.

 

[Swn58]

If they had just promoted it as Vegan honey substitute, I could understand it, but to indicate that thousands of bees die, as a result of honey production is ridiculous. It's almost an act of war!

 

[Boston Bees]

If they had just promoted it as Vegan honey substitute, I could understand it, but to indicate that thousands of bees die, as a result of honey production is ridiculous.

Although, to be fair, in America they probably do, looking at their migratory beekeeping methods ....

But not in the way this company suggests, certainly.

 

[Swn58]

But not in the way this company suggests, certainly.

I agree. I did see a programme some years ago about commercial bee practices in the USA. Farmers pay bee people to pollinate crops, especially in the west, where fruit is grown. Honey is a secondary concern it seems. Many bees get lost and die in the process of moving thousands of hives to different locations. There were a couple of lorry accidents last year, where millions of bees escaped from stricken vehicles and broken hives causing havoc!
It is bad that this apple syrup producer has chosen to lump all beekeepers together. It's like saying that all Germans are Nazis! They do not say they're Vegan, so I assume they encourage bees, often kept by people, to pollinate their trees?

 

[Boston Bees]

It's like saying that all Germans are Nazis!

I understand what you mean, but in respect to our German friends, perhaps it's worth moving on from this analogy, after 75 years?

 

[Swn58]

I understand what you mean, but in respect to our German friends, perhaps it's worth moving on from this analogy, after 75 years?

In think you have misunderstood what I said. I have family and friends in Germany!