Honey and vitamins

[jeff33]

Here is a new one. I have seen advertised on my Facebook a honey (blend of UK/EU) with added vitamin c, b12 and echinacea. It's sold as an immune boost apparently. People are amazingly buying it!!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

well there are a lot of gullible people out there

 

[jeff33]

Quite unbelievable really!

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Here is a new one. I have seen advertised on my Facebook a honey (blend of UK/EU) with added vitamin c, b12 and echinacea. It's sold as an immune boost apparently. People are amazingly buying it!!

Bullshit baffles brains!

 

[jeff33]

Bullshit baffles brains!

I know, these guys had over 600 comments with people buying several jars at the time. People would buy dog sh*t if it was advertised and packaged rightly!

 

[SWEET]

This is doing the rounds again, thought it was illegal to call something *Honey* with a load of stuff added to it.

 

[madasafish]

"Honey with added brains " is required for some people

 

[Erichalfbee]

just spotted this

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

just spotted this


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What do you do with it? rub it on your chest?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Ha ha. Whatever floats your boat.
I suspect you put it in your Ovaltine

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I suspect you put it in your Ovaltine

do they still make that? I remember as a kid we even had an ovaltine mixer, came as a freebie when we had the shop - looked very like a cafetiere

 

[ericbeaumont]

thought it was illegal to call something *Honey* with a load of stuff added to it.

Not so: the legal requirement states only that the word honey must be included and that the type of honey must be accurate - bakers', comb, etc.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/pdfs/uksi_20151348_en.pdf

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

the issue is that if the honey has been messed about with it becomes a food product so the labelling and food safety regulations are totally different

 

[SWEET]

Not so: the legal requirement states only that the word honey must be included and that the type of honey must be accurate - bakers', comb, etc.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/pdfs/uksi_20151348_en.pdf

Thanks for the link.

Quick read: so their jar label should read *Bakers Honey* and it should state *intended for cooking only* ?

If the bulk of the product is bakers honey, can this crap be classed as a compound foodstuff ?

Baker’s honey
15.—(1) A person trading in baker’s honey must use the name “baker’s honey”, in trade, as the
name of the product.
(2) A person must not use the name “baker’s honey” in trade as the name of a product if the product is not baker’s honey.
(3) A person trading in baker’s honey must not provide information relating to the floral, vegetable, regional, territorial or topographical origin of the product or specific quality criteria for the product.
(4) A person must not trade in baker’s honey unless the words “intended for cooking only” appear on the label of the product in close proximity to the product name.
(5) A person must not trade in baker’s honey in bulk containers or packs unless the product name “baker’s honey” is clearly indicated—

1. (a) on those containers and packs; and
2. (b) on the trade documents relating to the product.

(6) Where baker’s honey is used as an ingredient in a compound foodstuff, the product name “honey” may be used, in trade, in the product name of the compound foodstuff instead of “baker’s honey”.

 

[JamezF]

Not so: the legal requirement states only that the word honey must be included and that the type of honey must be accurate - bakers', comb, etc.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/pdfs/uksi_20151348_en.pdf

But that document also says:

A person must not use the name “honey” in trade as the name of a product if the product is not honey.

And surely honey with stuff added is not honey, because:

A person must not place any product on the market as “honey” unless it meets the appropriate compositional criteria for “honey” specified in Schedule 1.

And from Schedule 1:

5. No food ingredient has been added, including any food additive.
6. No other additions have been made to the honey except for other honey

So to my way of thinking, this product should not be sold as honey.

James

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Thanks for the link.

Quick read: so their jar label should read *Bakers Honey* and it should state *intended for cooking only* ?

If the bulk of the product is bakers honey, can this crap be classed as a compound foodstuff ?

Baker’s honey
15.—(1) A person trading in baker’s honey must use the name “baker’s honey”, in trade, as the
name of the product.
(2) A person must not use the name “baker’s honey” in trade as the name of a product if the product is not baker’s honey.
(3) A person trading in baker’s honey must not provide information relating to the floral, vegetable, regional, territorial or topographical origin of the product or specific quality criteria for the product.
(4) A person must not trade in baker’s honey unless the words “intended for cooking only” appear on the label of the product in close proximity to the product name.
(5) A person must not trade in baker’s honey in bulk containers or packs unless the product name “baker’s honey” is clearly indicated—

1. (a) on those containers and packs; and
2. (b) on the trade documents relating to the product.

(6) Where baker’s honey is used as an ingredient in a compound foodstuff, the product name “honey” may be used, in trade, in the product name of the compound foodstuff instead of “baker’s honey”.

That's only for baker's honey, the stuff in the last post is not baker's honey, which is basically just honey that has been heated too much it's a confection so food description regulations apply. and ingredients have to be listed

 

[SWEET]

Agreed, mentioned bakers honey as this can be used as compound foodstuff and called honey and listed in ingredients.

(6) Where baker’s honey is used as an ingredient in a compound foodstuff, the product name “honey” may be used, in trade, in the product name of the compound foodstuff instead of “baker’s honey”.

(7) Where baker’s honey is used as an ingredient in a compound foodstuff and the name “honey” is used in the product name of the compound foodstuff, a person must not trade in that foodstuff unless the list of ingredients for that foodstuff identifies that honey ingredient using the name “baker’s honey”.

(2) In these Regulations—
“baker’s honey” means honey that is suitable for industrial use or as an ingredient in another foodstuff which is then processed;

 

[SWEET]

Ref -

Ingredients: Pure wildflower honey (from the UK and Europe), Valerian Extract (6%), Lavender Extract (0.5%), Vitamin B12.

Nutrition: (Typical values per 100g) Energy 1,360kJ / 320 Kcal, Carbohydrate 79g, of which is Sugar 75g, Vitamin B12 18.6μg, Fat, Fibre, Protein, Salt – All Negligible.

Vitamins & Botanicals:

Each serving (2 teaspoons) contains:

• 300mg Valerian Extract (equivalent to 900mg Valerian Root)
• 2.5μg Vitamin B12

 

[JamezF]

Agreed, mentioned bakers honey as this can be used as compound foodstuff and called honey and listed in ingredients.

Yes, I think that might fit with the legislation, as long as in the ingredients it is listed as "baker's honey" (which in this case obviously it isn't). I can't see anything that would mean that "normal" honey can't be listed in the ingredients as "baker's honey".

I wonder if it might fall foul of other legislation governing labelling because it's not obvious from the product name that what you're buying isn't actually honey? If you sold "honey cake" or "honey fudge" (with "baker's honey" as an ingredient) for instance it's pretty obvious to the purchaser that it isn't honey, whereas in this instance the purchaser might think that the honey is mainly composed of lavender and valerian nectar.

James

 

[Gilberdyke John]

What do you do with it? rub it on your chest?

While tied spreadeagled over an anthill?