Quantcast

Double Brood Discussion & Poll

Beekeeping Forum

Help Support Beekeeping Forum:

Do you keep your colonies in double brood boxes?

  • Yes - All Through The Year

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Yes - But Only During Summer Months, If Required

    Votes: 16 37.2%
  • No, Never

    Votes: 20 46.5%

  • Total voters
    43

Haughton Honey 

Drone Bee
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
1,239
Reaction score
5
Location
South Cheshire
Hive Type
commercial
Number of Hives
Lots of Commercial hives.......
I thought it might be interesting to have a discussion specifically about using double brood boxes. Firstly, to try and find out how many beeks on here employ the technique and secondly to have a discussion about the pros and cons of it (nuc making vs. overwintering difficulties perhaps....etc etc).

For the record, I keep Nationals with double brood. The bottom box contains 11 frames and a dummy board. The top brood box usually contains 10 DN4 frames and a permanent frame feeder. This is my preferred set up for all of my colonies, which comprise of three different strain of bee.

Over to you guys and gals..............!

:)

WPC
 

Heather 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 7, 2008
Messages
4,067
Reaction score
50
Location
Newick, East Sussex
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
15
Unsure - is a National Deep classed as double- or does double really mean 2 basic National broods, which will work out as more frame area
 

JCBrum 

Drone Bee
Joined
Mar 27, 2009
Messages
1,055
Reaction score
0
Location
Birmingham UK
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
8 ish
I don't use double brood, but can see the attraction of being able to tilt the top box to look for activity in the middle of the nest.

How do you get on with a frame feeder in the top box ? Surely it defeats the facility for a quick 'tilt and look between the boxes' type of inspection ?
 

JCBrum 

Drone Bee
Joined
Mar 27, 2009
Messages
1,055
Reaction score
0
Location
Birmingham UK
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
8 ish
Unsure - is a National Deep classed as double- or does double really mean 2 basic National broods, which will work out as more frame area
Heather, I think a 'National Deep' is one standard brood box. (8" deep)

'Double brood' - means two of those.

An 'Nat.Extra Deep', is 14x12 and is equivalent to a 'Brood and a Half'..... (12" deep)

A 'Brood and a Half' is a 'Deep with a Shallow' on top. (shallow = 'super' size) (shallow = 5" deep)

apologies if you already know all this :) J.
 
Last edited:

JCBrum 

Drone Bee
Joined
Mar 27, 2009
Messages
1,055
Reaction score
0
Location
Birmingham UK
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
8 ish
I suppose you could say double shallow = Standard Deep, as well, but I don't know of anyone who ever does that for brood. :)
 

Finno 

House Bee
Joined
May 8, 2009
Messages
156
Reaction score
0
Location
Sligo, Northwest on coast.
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
20
My mongrels display a wide variation in brood nest size. I only use double brood (standard national) or brood and half where it is forced on me. I try to provide laying space for the more prolific queens by using surplus brood to equalize colony size in the apiary. This winter I have two double brood, two brood and half and remainder (10) on single brood.
P Finnegan
 

mikethebee 

Banned
Joined
Nov 24, 2008
Messages
331
Reaction score
0
Location
Gloucestershire uk
Hive Type
none
WPC
We use deep B.S.National brood boxes for everything all the frames are the same interchangable from brood to honey, 5 brood boxes to 1 hive
when the 2nd brood boxs gets full swap frames from top box to bottom. Everthing fits in its place no looking for suppers frames boxes
Note the hives are made of ply tantalized pressure treated.
Easy bee, keeping that’s us.
any questions.
 

Black Comb 

Queen Bee
Joined
Aug 10, 2009
Messages
2,737
Reaction score
0
Location
Cumbria
Hive Type
other
Number of Hives
10+
I've tried double brood and didn't like it.
I'm changing to larger boxes - it will give me the option to vary the size of a single box.
 

Haughton Honey 

Drone Bee
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
1,239
Reaction score
5
Location
South Cheshire
Hive Type
commercial
Number of Hives
Lots of Commercial hives.......
you need another option on the poll - occasionally, as I don't fit into the other categories !!
Does "....Only During Summer Months, If Required" not work for you Somerford? Are you saying that you occasionally use them in the winter?! :)
 

Haughton Honey 

Drone Bee
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
1,239
Reaction score
5
Location
South Cheshire
Hive Type
commercial
Number of Hives
Lots of Commercial hives.......
How do you get on with a frame feeder in the top box ? Surely it defeats the facility for a quick 'tilt and look between the boxes' type of inspection ?
JC, given all of the current issues with supercedure and swarming cells and the fact that very often swarming cells are not just located at the base of a frame, I don't actually employ the 'tilt and look' method - I go through them physically, where necessary.
 

Melbourne12 

New Bee
Joined
Feb 23, 2009
Messages
69
Reaction score
0
Location
Harrow, UK
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
4
As newbies, we've used single National brood boxes this year, but found that both hives became overcrowded at the height of the season. We're going to try 14x12 boxes next year. Double brood boxes, or brood and a half, seemed like a lot of extra manipulation, hence our choice.
 

JCBrum 

Drone Bee
Joined
Mar 27, 2009
Messages
1,055
Reaction score
0
Location
Birmingham UK
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
8 ish
JC, given all of the current issues with supercedure and swarming cells and the fact that very often swarming cells are not just located at the base of a frame, I don't actually employ the 'tilt and look' method - I go through them physically, where necessary.
Aha, I see. ..... 'tilt and look' does seem attractive, but I've always been a bit suspicious about the efficacy of it.

I suppose if you want to be sure you've got to be thorough. :)
 
Joined
Jun 9, 2009
Messages
1,065
Reaction score
0
Location
Kirkbymoorside, North Yorkshire.
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9
I am using the standard national brood with a local mongrel bee but, being a newbee this year, haven't had to think about whether my choice of brood box will be big enough. I don't fancy the extra work of double brood and the only person in my area with 14 x 12's doesn't take a honey crop. I know that Peter Hewitt used to build colony's up on double brood and shake the bees down into 1 box for the heather harvest. It's my associations AGM tonight so I'll be bending a few ears to answer a few of my questions.
 

mikethebee 

Banned
Joined
Nov 24, 2008
Messages
331
Reaction score
0
Location
Gloucestershire uk
Hive Type
none
'tilt and look' its that easy otherwise you have to look through all the frames in every hive 20 hive 1 B/box Apiarie = 220 frames "time consuming"
tilt the top brood box and look in between the frames for queen cells if you see cells then you have to go though every frame cutting out cells in that box
 

Onge 

Field Bee
Joined
May 24, 2009
Messages
839
Reaction score
0
Location
Cambridge
Hive Type
langstroth
Number of Hives
9 Medium Poly, mostly foundation-less. Some run as Warre TBH
I suppose you could say double shallow = Standard Deep, as well, but I don't know of anyone who ever does that for brood.
I will be running multiple medium poly Langstroth super boxes throughout.

At the beginning of next season.

Ill let you know how I get on. :)
 

MJBee 

Drone Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
1,818
Reaction score
0
Location
Dordogne 24360 France
Hive Type
commercial
Number of Hives
16 a mix of Commercial, National, 14 x 12, Dadant and a Warre
I run 6 colonies on single commercial boxes but have 2 that are on double national brood boxes. By feeding hard in the spring I can build these two quickly to the point where I can pile 3 supers on each. Then by putting the queen in the bottom brood I can move the other brood to the top, above the supers, and use it for queen cell raising. This avoids having to make the colony queenless.
:cheers2: Mike
 

Haughton Honey 

Drone Bee
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
1,239
Reaction score
5
Location
South Cheshire
Hive Type
commercial
Number of Hives
Lots of Commercial hives.......
I run 6 colonies on single commercial boxes but have 2 that are on double national brood boxes. By feeding hard in the spring I can build these two quickly to the point where I can pile 3 supers on each. Then by putting the queen in the bottom brood I can move the other brood to the top, above the supers, and use it for queen cell raising. This avoids having to make the colony queenless.
:cheers2: Mike
That's very interesting Mike. It appears to be a little like the traditional Demaree method of artificial swarming, is it not? Do you eventually place a floor beneath the 'upper' brood box to create a second colony or do you just harvest Q cells and transfer them to nuc boxes in order to raise several?
 

Latest posts

Top