Quantcast

Development

Beekeeping Forum

Help Support Beekeeping Forum:

Finman 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 8, 2008
Messages
25,520
Reaction score
91
Location
Finland, Helsinki
Hive Type
langstroth
.
Do you think that British beekeeping is developing somewhere?
Is is needed , where from to ....?
Is it allright? ------( except all trouples like bees are dying and queens/drones cannot mate any more)

What I have read these forums, problem is farming, not in habits of beekeeping.
 
Last edited:

Hivemaker. 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 8, 2008
Messages
14,310
Reaction score
1
Location
Exmoor.
Hive Type
national
Finman. what do you think is the main problem with the farming then .
 

Finman 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 8, 2008
Messages
25,520
Reaction score
91
Location
Finland, Helsinki
Hive Type
langstroth
Finman. what do you think is the main problem with the farming then .
Why you ask me? What I have read, you have only "natural variation". Professionals are silent.

I put this question in our forum. We are talking about same things as USA folks Pollinators deminish. Why? Perhaps it is business secret.
 
Last edited:

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
I am going to chuck in my twopence worth here.

There is nothing wrong with British or is that English beekeeping.

What is wrong is that there was a bad summer followed by a bad winter followed by a wet cold spring followed by a severe (for the uk) winter followed by a poor spring.

And we expect the colonies to be in tip top condition? I think not. And poor nutrition will greatly explain poor matings.

If the history of beekeeping is read there is nothing new here bar that the conditions have been made worse by Varroa which the ancestors did not face of course.

PH
 

Hivemaker. 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 8, 2008
Messages
14,310
Reaction score
1
Location
Exmoor.
Hive Type
national
There seems to be poor matings in other countrys too,so cannot all be down to just poor weather and nutrition.lots of infertile drones.
 

Norton 

Drone Bee
Joined
Nov 30, 2008
Messages
1,157
Reaction score
1
Location
Paris, France
Hive Type
langstroth
Is it surprising that some drones are infertile or have problems with the quality of their sperm? Beekeepers have been pouring miticides into their hives for years - I don't think that the majority of beekeepers realise just how toxic these miticides are and the effect they are having on our bees. They are now in all wax and it is estimated that it would take at least 50 years to get rid of them if they were stopped tomorrow. If these chemicals are fatal for Varroa and for bees if overdosed, I think it is only logical to assume that they will have some effect on the viability of sperm. In addition we have numerous chemicals in the environment that act as female hormones and are effecting the fertility of many animals and insects.
Best wishes
Norton.
 
Last edited:

hedgerow pete 

Queen Bee
Joined
Jan 26, 2009
Messages
3,660
Reaction score
3
Location
UK, Birmingham, Sandwell. Pork scratching Bandit c
Hive Type
national
I personaly will stand in front of the firing line, there are many things wrong with british bee keeping, as well as many things right but the biggest hurdel i see is a lack of direction with breed type aggression and temperment as well as breeding, there are many islands around the uk able to be used as breeding site or the shed idea i mooted else where there is no big organised bussiness in the beekeeping industry far too many little voices not being heard in government and the only people able to speak to them are cowards and spineless muppets. when you hear on this web site that someone has to import 2800 queens because he cant get them here from the other side of the planet surely someone would be able to set up a bee breeding /supply company in the uk or closer than that,
rant over
aim

fire
 

victor meldrew 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
6,344
Reaction score
6
Location
Wigan
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
6
There seems to be poor matings in other countrys too,so cannot all be down to just poor weather and nutrition.lots of infertile drones.
Water sources are contaminated with gender bending chemicals that are affecting fish !. Bees are obtaining supplies from the same source,Oestrogen from the use of the contraceptive pill is changing the sex of fish, lowering the sperm counts in the human male, therefore the drone is bound to be affected in the same way ??.

John
 

Bcrazy 

Drone Bee
Joined
Nov 14, 2008
Messages
1,491
Reaction score
4
Location
Warboys, CAMBS
Hive Type
none
Number of Hives
nil bees given away all colonies
Members to my mind all this talk is pure supposition.

Norton
They are now in all wax and it is estimated that it would take at least 50 years to get rid of them if they were stopped tomorrow. If these chemicals are fatal for Varroa and for bees if overdosed, I think it is only logical to assume that they will have some effect on the viability of sperm
Do you have any evidence concerning the above statement? By what credence can you substantiate your claim?

Please do not take this the wrong way as I do not wish to demean your stance on this. Only if we were to listen to everyone who voiced their opinion on a specific subject we would never be able to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Victor;
lowering the sperm counts in the human male, therefore the drone is bound to be affected in the same way ??.
Is it possible to be more explicit as now you have got me worried re my sperm count.

As mentioned members I am not knocking anyone but I need proof of anything substantial.

Regards;
 

gavin 

Drone Bee
Joined
Dec 27, 2008
Messages
1,331
Reaction score
0
Location
Tayside
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
about 70 and rising
Norton was talking about chemicals with insecticidal as well as miticidal properties, not gender bending chemicals.

Then we jump straight to homophobia. Is that OK on this forum then?
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
10% of the male population are gay. So knocking gays is meant in this day and age to be funny?

I listened to a working men's club secretary brief a comedian the other day on the radio and believe me comments like these were not going to be paid for.

This is 2009. This is a public arena and so......liability counts.

PH
 

Polyanwood 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 7, 2008
Messages
2,203
Reaction score
1
Location
London
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
45
I agree. We can put them on a continuum-

beekeeping is great
feminising chemicals in the water is not so great
homophobia is bad
 

victor meldrew 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
6,344
Reaction score
6
Location
Wigan
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
6
Norton was talking about chemicals with insecticidal as well as miticidal properties, not gender bending chemicals.

Then we jump straight to homophobia. Is that OK on this forum then?
My understanding of 'homophobia', is an irrational fear of mankind!
I have no fear of mankind, in fact I find homosexuality quite amusing.

John
 

Hivemaker. 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 8, 2008
Messages
14,310
Reaction score
1
Location
Exmoor.
Hive Type
national
This is perhaps why we should be worried,and yes we are talking about gender bending chemicals,and yes gavin,Norton did mention them,there is an all time high of estrogen in our waterways which is causing fish to change sex,as shown in a recent countryfile program,so if its affecting wildlife,why not people,we drink water.
 
Last edited:

admin 

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
6,393
Reaction score
1
Location
Hampshire uk
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
6
I deleted the offending posts for anyone who has an issue with them.
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
I am not offended Admin just taken aback to find them on line here.

I seem to remember a comment being made about children reading the forum, so when I modded my Paltalk room as G rated, as in children may be present, I booted off more than a few for such material.

PH
 

admin 

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
6,393
Reaction score
1
Location
Hampshire uk
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
6
Sorry PH I never noticed anything homophobic in the posts ?

I laughed because I have never considered before the point that Hivemaker was getting across,here in Hants we are having terrible problems with the trout mating due to "the pill" and I do wonder if any study has been done regards drones/males drinking this rubbish.

The posts came from a science angle not a homophobic angle.

I think I can talk for both myself and Hivemaker when I say nothing malignant was intended .

Was it something in the wording that was so bad ?
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
I cannot quote now as they are not there but from my shaky wine influenced memory puffs for poofs is too close for comfort.

PH
 

admin 

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
6,393
Reaction score
1
Location
Hampshire uk
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
6
I thought it was a misspelling myself,so ignored it at the time.

Still no harm done as its been removed.

Now Gavin will have to find something else to moan about :laughing-smiley-004
 

Latest posts

Top