Culling a colony

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And that is what concerns you?! Ye Gods, give it up and take up golf or some other hobby where you can't do any harm.

If its Foul Brood then yes, use petrol and burn the combs but this is food we're producing. I wouldn't want honey tainted with petrol for me or to be fed back to my bees. I wouldn't want foundation that comes from wax exchanged that is tainted with petrol.
 
About the only justification for killing a colony

Yes, I'm putting too much stress on the chance of the drones actually getting to mate. The probability is low and they won't be my queens.
I've taken out as much drone brood as I can so will unite with another colony.

Thanks all.
 
"Practical advice is needed for many beekeepers here....not I'm alright jack."
Nigel, you never miss a chance to have go at others.

The point, I am making, albeit indirectly, is that Beekeepers should co-operate wherever possible with others in an area. It is in everyones interest to not have nasty bees . Therefore the more experienced members of an association with well behaved strains of bee can generate a few spare queens to donate (or sell for a token fee) to less experienced members to requeen their badly behaved bees. People helped me quite alot for several years when I started up back in 1959 (I was only 11 yrs old) and so I am quite willing to help others whenever and if I can. Unfortunately altruism is not part of everyones makeup.
 
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You may have seen my long running saga with trying to handle an aggressive colony? Some of the great help on here as gotten me through it...I'm still not certain its worked but what I can say is if bee keeping is about one thing, its about passionately keeping bees....And that means not exterminating them.

Believe me Ive not had this much stress since I started. But what I have learned is significant so you must, if you can, remain resolute to maintaining the colony. Much of course has been said but:

* If you have a place of solitude you can move the colony to, temporarily for a month, move them. Huge stress reliever for all involved!
*Speak to the neighbours and any workman, postman, pub (there is a pub garden close by in may case). If you show care and interest and explain the situation, 9 /10 times you will get patience and tolerance. At least for a while so you can deal with the situation.
*For a single colony, its about the queen not the drones.
* YOU MUST Requeen as soon as you sense defensiveness above what can be tolerated in your environment (suburban garden being lower tolerance than a farm apiary) after, say, approx 72 hour period of sustained ping activity.
*Bleed off flyers (by hive movement) over two days to give you as much calmness as you can get. This helps you and the neighbours.
*If its a big hive, consider a split to 2 or 3. Easier to handle and simpler to gauge progress.
*After requeen you will get an immediate, noticeable calmness but it does not solve problem completely. However, along with that flyer bleed off, the hive becomes much more manageable (pheromones) but (theoretically, I am in this period now) you have to wait for 4 -6 weeks to get complete comfort during peak season (genes).

I cannot tolerate 1 follower, let alone the 10-20 I have had whapping my veil and head at 20 yards, but I have hung in there and you should too.
 
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Practical advice is needed for many beekeepers here....not I'm alright jack.
Nigel, you never miss a chance to have go at others.

The point, I am making albekit indirectly is that Beekeepers should co-operate wherever possible with others in an area. It is in everyones interest to not have nasty bees . Therefore the more experienced members of an association with well behaved strains of bee can generate a few spare queens to donate (or sell for a token fee) to less experienced members to requeen their badly behaved bees. People helped me quite alot for several years when I started up back in 1959 (I was only 11 yrs old) and so I am quite willing to help others whenever and if I can. Unfortunately altruism is not part of everyones makeup.

Well said.
 
Nothing like a bit of disposable beekeeping

I know what you mean, seems such a waste and a cop out to kill the colony when re-queening is a solution, just not an immediate one.

I've just had to deal with one such colony myself, really, really nasty! I received a few stings but followed the good advice of relocating the brood box to bleed of flying bees when searching for the evil one.

I'll find out this weekend if they have mellowed at all with just the change of Monarch or whether it's a longer wait that is required.

Last year it was as much as I could do to add Supers, even then I was getting stung, I should have dealt with them in the Autumn but being an exceptionally large colony the prospect of tackling them them was too much.
 
o I am quite willing to help others whenever and if I can. .

Yes, Gerry and so am I as many on this forum have found to their benefit.
My point is a simple one, the advice "re-queen with a gentle strain etc", which you have to admit is advice that is trotted out by many on a very regular basis, is (on it's own) useless advice. Unless the additional information about where to obtain such queens when needed is added.
Bit like curing chalkbrood by using chalkbrood resistant queens/CBP virus resistant queens....is anyone advertising these for sale?
Not having a go... just pointing out the inadequacy of some advice.
 
I like the idea of locally adapted, locally bred queens. So my advice would be get to know who your local queen breeders are and pay them for a good product and service. I would expect them to provide gentle productive queens with minimal CB as a given. Otherwise they won't be in business for long.

My local breeder is 8 miles away and when I see him at an association meeting he asks me how's that queen doing.
 
Locally adapted would be raised in your local climate and in the usual months for that area. So this wouldn't include early queens from South of France or Italy (does this happen?).

Probably unworkable for commercial operations.
 
Hmmmm. If you feed them to get them through the winter, treat them varroa then how are they locally adapted?
Me thinks "locally adapted" is much overused catch phrase.
 
How could I think of killing of all these boys. United on top of another colony.

No eggs. 4 day old QCs (removed) so think she has finally failed.
 

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I have a very nasty colony too waiting to replace q with one iv ordered.. every time I go near this hive I get stung many times one day I got 14 stings to hands little devils , I inspected them yesterday, thanks to ductape I didn't get stung . Just looking forward to replacing queen. Gonna bleed off flying bees tomorrow after reading the above posts
 

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