Quantcast

Creosote

Beekeeping Forum

Help Support Beekeeping Forum:

wightbees 

Queen Bee
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
2,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Isle Of Wight
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
How long is a piece of string
I have managed to get some , would this be ok to use ?
I have read in a book that its ok but thought i would check first.
If it's ok , is it still only paint the outsides.
How about the inner roof and crown board?
Come to think of it no matter what paint i use do i paint these parts ?
 

ian 

House Bee
Joined
Dec 1, 2008
Messages
348
Reaction score
0
Location
uk
Hive Type
none
Hi Wightbees

It used to be used on hives quite widely, however there are better options and it really is horrible stuff. Find something that stinks less........................Some of the old boys would coat up the hives in the Winter with the bees inside...


Regards Ian
 

Black Comb 

Queen Bee
Joined
Aug 10, 2009
Messages
2,737
Reaction score
0
Location
Cumbria
Hive Type
other
Number of Hives
10+
Is it "real" creosote - i.e. the stuff they used years ago?
If so it's banned as it's carcinogenic.

Most people use clear cuprinol on the outside only.

A lot of bee books are out of date.
 

MuswellMetro 

Queen Bee
Joined
Oct 1, 2009
Messages
6,512
Reaction score
18
Location
London N10
Hive Type
14x12
I have managed to get some , would this be ok to use ?
I have read in a book that its ok but thought i would check first.
If it's ok , is it still only paint the outsides.
How about the inner roof and crown board?
Come to think of it no matter what paint i use do i paint these parts ?
No. dont do it as it may be old black coal tar creosote and due to its carcinogenic character, the European Union has banned the sale of creosote treated wood and requires that the sale of creosote be limited to professional users

trading standards might also condem your honey ifi t has high phenol content
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
It's a complete no. Do not use.

Further what book are you working from?

PH
 

wightbees 

Queen Bee
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
2,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Isle Of Wight
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
How long is a piece of string
PH three books peter beckly, ted hooper and the other one just looking at the pics lol :) Kim flottum. Peter Beckley Keeping Bees said about the Creosote.

MuswellMetro didn't think about the Honey sale part < good point

Yes it is the real stuff my friend gets it. Said i can have some if i wanted.
 

VEG 

Queen Bee
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
6,830
Reaction score
0
Location
Maesteg South Wales
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
15+-some
Would make a hell of a mess on your bee suit as well, as sometimes it doesnt dry very well.
 
T

Tom Bick 

Guest
Best not to safer products available today unless you smoke 40 a day and then you will be well use to risk.
 

oliver90owner 

Queen Bee
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
15,628
Reaction score
26
Location
Lincolnshire
Hive Type
14x12
Old engine oil mixed with kerosene is 'similar' to creosote. Would you want that around your bees? Technology has moved on. These mixtures (wood tars and nasty oil contaminants) have passed their 'use by' dates - especially for beehives.

Go for something a lot more eco-friendly. Further more, why consider using external preservatives on internals, where it is patently not required?

Regards, RAB
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
Well Flottum is American and so a great deal of his info is NON applicable to the UK.

Hooper is good.

Other chap never head of and if he is recommending creosote then it's at least out of date if not dangerous.

PH
 

wightbees 

Queen Bee
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
2,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Isle Of Wight
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
How long is a piece of string
The book looks old , i will give the creosote a miss then ;)
 

wightbees 

Queen Bee
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
2,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Isle Of Wight
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
How long is a piece of string
Don't think the Libry would like that Mr B
 

oliver90owner 

Queen Bee
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
15,628
Reaction score
26
Location
Lincolnshire
Hive Type
14x12
book looks old

It will have a date in it?

This may be a warning to others - that unless one is aware of past procedures which have been supereded by modern techniques, one may be better only studying the newer tomes.

Only if one reads widely enough would those old methods - which may, or may not, still be appropriate or were very effective in their day (and have been found to have other adverse effects) - be placed into the whole picture of past and present beekeeping husbandry.

Regards, RAB
 

Ewok 

New Bee
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
81
Reaction score
0
Location
Andover
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
3 ( & stable)
:(I thought I'd bought some a couple of months back. Got it home & read the label properly - it's some stuff called Creocote - just smells like the old stuff & dosen't work as well.:(
 

hedgerow pete 

Queen Bee
Joined
Jan 26, 2009
Messages
3,660
Reaction score
3
Location
UK, Birmingham, Sandwell. Pork scratching Bandit c
Hive Type
national
several parts here. no i would not use what ever you have on a hive , there are much better options , much better colours and a lot safer to use and work with

2, I do use the modern creosote alternative on every thing wooden at the allotment to preserve it as it is cheaper than the modern versions

3, Creosote of old is not bannned, never has been, what it is , is controled to be sold with restrictions, ie to farmers, land scapers, horticultural people etc.

all of these people will have to had a valid training course, the classic is insecticide handling and insecticide spraying , kanpsack as a minium, as this explains the basics of handling chemicals, or you could of trained for say pest control or evan a poisons ticket etc.
there is no creosote ticket as such , but they do need to see that who they sell to can use the stuff safely, and to just kill of any chancers , i have only ever seen it sold in the last few years in 225 litres barrels, because that is what I brought my old barrel as, it cost £115 plus vat,(2005) but i find it easier to buy 25 litre tins from country wide farmers instead, smaller quantity and a safer product
 

Adam 

House Bee
Joined
Mar 21, 2010
Messages
362
Reaction score
0
Location
uk
Hive Type
14x12
Number of Hives
8
I know a few people that have creosoted their beehives for decades and in that time, their honey has been tested any number of times due to the large quantities they sell. Not once has their been any issue.

I, personally wouldn't use it but I think the so-called risks are talked up by beekeepers when they are in fact negligable. Their would be a greater risk of contamination to honey from nectar containing pesticides I would think, never mind the grotty water bees seem to choose to liquidise the stores in the spring.

I've never heard of a case of creosote spoiled honey, in any book or otherwise. I have heard of contamination from a few other things.

I'll grant that old books recommend it in an era that testing of residues was probably in it's infancy, but those that treat their hives with creosote currently, are subject to residue testing that would be sufficiently high resolution to detect any issue.

Adam
 

Poly Hive 

Queen Bee
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
13,655
Reaction score
2
Location
Scottish Borders
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
9 and 18 Nucs
Well sorry to say I have Adam and tasted it more to the point and it was so bad it actually burnt my tongue.

PH
 

wightbees 

Queen Bee
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
2,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Isle Of Wight
Hive Type
national
Number of Hives
How long is a piece of string
insecticide handling and insecticide spraying I use to about 10 yrs ago, about 1500 ltr at a time . hated it , in the glass houses so hot with suit and mask on .

I'm not going to use the creosote on the hives , Its seems that the chicken club offers
this stuff for sale in 25 ltr plastice barrels. Don't know how much it cost as i have'nt bought it. It's a mate of mine.

I might do what thurrock Bees does and use it on the stands though.
 

Latest posts

Top