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worrywort 

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Hello There.
I have national hives with hoffman spaced frames.

having decided to rear queens known as A.M.M. or british black type. The book says they prefer a slightly wider frame spacing.

Hoffman frames are 1 3/8 wide plastic ends are 1 7/16.

My frames are under size by a tiny ammount which allowed my to insert twelve frames in a box without having to stand on the last frame to get it

I have fitted plastic ends to the frames to get the correct spacing and I could have saved a few pounds and many swarms had I noticed.

have You had problems recently?
 

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I keep near natives on hoffman spacing and theyve never told me the gaps too narrow
 

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frame spacing

Sorry. The book I was refering to is "Honeybees of the british isles, by B cooper" and the frame spacing is hoffman frames which should be 1 3/8 wide, but are narrower by1/32.
 

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Sorry. The book I was refering to is "Honeybees of the british isles, by B cooper" and the frame spacing is hoffman frames which should be 1 3/8 wide, but are narrower by1/32.
The book might be good in other respects, but a change of 1/32 of an inch frame spacing is very firmly into magic crystal/mushroom territory. Accurately measure a frame and you 'll find it can deviate up to 1/16" or sometimes more. Plastic spacers should be more accurate, but then you have to factor in propolis.

The answer? 11 hoffman frames to a nationals and a thin dummy board, then you don't need to worry about rolling bees or cramming in that last frame and inspections are a breeze when you loose spacers and castellations.

Now all you need to really worry about is where to get 'pure' AMM and rear them.
 

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Worrywort?

You seem to be overly concerned.

Firstly I can assure you bees are rather more tolerant of space than you might think.

Secondly having run AMM (very pure AMM) in Scotland for many years and not a few colonies, I can assure you they are more than happy to be on Hoffman frames.

PH
 

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Hello There.
I have national hives with hoffman spaced frames.

having decided to rear queens known as A.M.M. or british black type. The book says they prefer a slightly wider frame spacing.

Hoffman frames are 1 3/8 wide plastic ends are 1 7/16.

My frames are under size by a tiny ammount which allowed my to insert twelve frames in a box without having to stand on the last frame to get it

I have fitted plastic ends to the frames to get the correct spacing and I could have saved a few pounds and many swarms had I noticed.

have You had problems recently?
On a more natural cell size like 4.9 you can go down to 32mm spacing between frames, I personally wouldn’t go large for the Amm than the standard frame spacing , but if it was me I would put them on ready drawn 4.9mm for a few brood turn over’s and then slowly exchange frames with starter strips to see what they prefer.
Tony
 

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I found a similar problem with Hoffman frames I bought this year in the Thornes sale, they were 1mm under size, not much you might say but in a National box I can put in 12 frames and still have a 10 mm gap at the end, in my National Poly I can only get 10 frames in normally, now I can get 11 and a 6mm gap. I am going to run them and see but interesting to have an extra 5000 cells to play with.

Enzo
 

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similar problem

Give them two or three coats of thick varnish and the problem will disappear.

Just do some of them for the poly? he he.

Regards, RAB
 

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seems an odd question for someone running 10 hives, I would say you are over thinking this one, didnt we have a report on the forum discussing the benefits of 42mm+ (may have been more) spacing not long ago..
 

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seems an odd question for someone running 10 hives, I would say you are over thinking this one, didnt we have a report on the forum discussing the benefits of 42mm+ (may have been more) spacing not long ago..
it was

46mm italian spacing to reduce varroa, suggestion was using manley 41mm spacing might also be a goer

if i had AMM pure i'd be trying then on either starter strips on 32mm or 4.9m on 32mm spacing like tony 350i

i have some of~Cushmans 32mm castles for when i eventual get AMM
 

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Hi MuswellMetro
Just imagine rearing Apis mm queens and then selling them to all that want the strain Amm, you could make a bomb, Good thinking.
 

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