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Was just reading it...wondered where they got their highly imaginary figures from for their purported honey bee decline.
 
The Beeb will always lean to where the money is, ie big business.

You can bet that there's some commercial interest in any manipulated figs.
Remember it was research sponsored buy Perrier that told us to drink more water?

Most recently Iceland have had their advert which questions (amongst others) Cadburys' use of palm oil.
Let's look at Cadbury, taken over by Americans Kraft with a loan fro UK Government owned RBS??? Then the original recipe changed to use the cheaper Palm Oil??????

We should all take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdpspllWI2o and ask why it was banned if not corruption & objection from the like of Cadburys??
 
Poor Professor Potts was stripped of his title by the closing paragraph.

My hive monitors use real intelligence, rather than artificial intelligence ... does this make them more suited to natural beekeeping?
 
Honestly, what is wrong with you people? This is an item about attempts to investigate the decline of bees worldwide and you all seem more interested in the possibility of a conspiracy theory conjured up by the BBC and the BBKA and that they are are behind some sort of 'fake news' plot. Regardless of who supplies you with the information you seem to imply that you don't believe bees are in decline on a global scale, it's as if you live in a bubble of your own opinions and anyone who says something that doesn't fit in with your niche views is lying; sometimes this forum verges on evangelism.

Bees ARE declining, honey yields are a third of that of 40 years ago, pesticides abound, other pollinators vital to the human food chain are also in serious trouble.

Ten percent of the worlds wilderness has disappeared in the last twenty years and it is generally accepted that nearly half of the worlds wildife has been lost since 1970. Illegal logging in rain forests threatens the worlds' lungs, poaching in Africa kills hundreds of elephants and rhinocerous every year, far more than the birthrate of these species. Our oceans are so choked with plastic that we eat plastic granules in our food every day while marine life slowly dies from human poisoning...

...and yet the bee population according to this forum remains untouched, immutable, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or a fool.

By pointing out this item on the BBC website my aim was to inform and to stimulate intellectual debate but instead all I hear is curmudgeonly griping, poo-pooing, and general apathy, not only in this thread but increasingly on many threads where a select few constantly put down debate with peurile personal attacks.

I have learned a lot from this forum and I thank people for that but an increasing number of people contribute nothing of note here. It's a shame but I suspect you have put off many new beekeepers from contributing here.

I have no doubt that the very same people I refer to here will now flame me, put me on ignore and/or generally be quite vitriolic in their replies. Well, rock on because I won't be listening to you.

While you you sit there in a few years time looking at your dead hives and blaming everyone but yourselves you can be smug in the knowledge that none of it was your fault because you did nothing -- well done you.
 
Bees ARE declining, honey yields are a third of that of 40 years ago, pesticides abound, o.
ther pollinators vital to the human food chain are also in serious trouble
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Be interested in the source of your figures/facts!...and please not the BBKA annual amateur survey.

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Honestly, what is wrong with you people? This is an item about attempts to investigate the decline of bees worldwide and you all seem more interested in the possibility of a conspiracy theory conjured up by the BBC and the BBKA and that they are are behind some sort of 'fake news' plot. Regardless of who supplies you with the information you seem to imply that you don't believe bees are in decline on a global scale, it's as if you live in a bubble of your own opinions and anyone who says something that doesn't fit in with your niche views is lying; sometimes this forum verges on evangelism.

Bees ARE declining, honey yields are a third of that of 40 years ago, pesticides abound, other pollinators vital to the human food chain are also in serious trouble.

Ten percent of the worlds wilderness has disappeared in the last twenty years and it is generally accepted that nearly half of the worlds wildife has been lost since 1970. Illegal logging in rain forests threatens the worlds' lungs, poaching in Africa kills hundreds of elephants and rhinocerous every year, far more than the birthrate of these species. Our oceans are so choked with plastic that we eat plastic granules in our food every day while marine life slowly dies from human poisoning...

...and yet the bee population according to this forum remains untouched, immutable, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or a fool.

By pointing out this item on the BBC website my aim was to inform and to stimulate intellectual debate but instead all I hear is curmudgeonly griping, poo-pooing, and general apathy, not only in this thread but increasingly on many threads where a select few constantly put down debate with peurile personal attacks.

I have learned a lot from this forum and I thank people for that but an increasing number of people contribute nothing of note here. It's a shame but I suspect you have put off many new beekeepers from contributing here.

I have no doubt that the very same people I refer to here will now flame me, put me on ignore and/or generally be quite vitriolic in their replies. Well, rock on because I won't be listening to you.

While you you sit there in a few years time looking at your dead hives and blaming everyone but yourselves you can be smug in the knowledge that none of it was your fault because you did nothing -- well done you.

:winner1st:
Well said that man!​


Note the immediate purile post from the forums chief trill***** !!!


Yeghes da
 
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Be interested in the source of your figures/facts!...and please not the BBKA annual amateur survey.


I'm always skeptical about such things because a demand/supply curve would show an increase in price (assuming demand didn't fall) if the supply fell. It doesn't. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
I don't know what the prior stats were but world honey production has been rising since 2000
https://www.statista.com/statistics/755215/natural-honey-production-volume-worldwide/

So I assume the bee population follows.

So factually the BBC are at least 18 years out of date. Period. No room for debate.

We are talking honey bees here, NOT other pollinators.

Edit: see also https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sites/agriculture/files/honey/market-presentation-honey_en.pdf

which has similar statistics...

IT is unforgivable to do no basic research on the subject.. I found the above in 10 minutes.
 
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Honestly, what is wrong with you people? This is an item about attempts to investigate the decline of bees worldwide and you all seem more interested in the possibility of a conspiracy theory conjured up by the BBC and the BBKA and that they are are behind some sort of 'fake news' plot. Regardless of who supplies you with the information you seem to imply that you don't believe bees are in decline on a global scale, it's as if you live in a bubble of your own opinions and anyone who says something that doesn't fit in with your niche views is lying; sometimes this forum verges on evangelism.

Bees ARE declining, honey yields are a third of that of 40 years ago, pesticides abound, other pollinators vital to the human food chain are also in serious trouble.

Ten percent of the worlds wilderness has disappeared in the last twenty years and it is generally accepted that nearly half of the worlds wildife has been lost since 1970. Illegal logging in rain forests threatens the worlds' lungs, poaching in Africa kills hundreds of elephants and rhinocerous every year, far more than the birthrate of these species. Our oceans are so choked with plastic that we eat plastic granules in our food every day while marine life slowly dies from human poisoning...

...and yet the bee population according to this forum remains untouched, immutable, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or a fool.

By pointing out this item on the BBC website my aim was to inform and to stimulate intellectual debate but instead all I hear is curmudgeonly griping, poo-pooing, and general apathy, not only in this thread but increasingly on many threads where a select few constantly put down debate with peurile personal attacks.

I have learned a lot from this forum and I thank people for that but an increasing number of people contribute nothing of note here. It's a shame but I suspect you have put off many new beekeepers from contributing here.

I have no doubt that the very same people I refer to here will now flame me, put me on ignore and/or generally be quite vitriolic in their replies. Well, rock on because I won't be listening to you.

While you you sit there in a few years time looking at your dead hives and blaming everyone but yourselves you can be smug in the knowledge that none of it was your fault because you did nothing -- well done you.

I don't know where you get your information from - but I have seldom heard such a load of uninformed incorrect tripe - just an excuse to partake in some sanctimonious name calling (of which, apparently you rail against) by the looks of it.
It is people like this that are the Bees' worst enemy - peddling incorrect data to satiate some strange twisted agenda or just maybe so that they can sit in some kind of self righteous smugness.
Check the facts - honeybees are not in decline

https://thewalrusandthehoneybee.com/lies-damn-lies-statistics/

https://thewalrusandthehoneybee.com/bee-armageddon/

in fact, quite the opposite, if anything, the biggest threat to bees at the moment are the well meaning 'save the bees' brigade who think, that by having a box of bees in the garden and leaving them to their own devices, they can cure the world's ills and save the rain forests and the Orangutangs while they're at it.
There are even concerns in some quarters that the continued rise of occasional beekeepers are having a devastatingly adverse effect on wild pollinators in general.
This might just be another delve in to the world of beekeeping apocrypha, but still a truism - when a well respected beekeeper was once asked what the biggest threat that honeybees faced was, he replied "beekeepers"

Reasoned debate, fair enough - but please start off with some proven facts, not a pack of surmises, flawed data and untruths.
 
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Honestly, what is wrong with you people?..............it's as if you live in a bubble of your own opinions and anyone who says something that doesn't fit in with your niche views .............Ten percent of the worlds wilderness has disappeared in the last twenty years and it is generally accepted that nearly half of the worlds wildife has been lost since 1970. Illegal logging in rain forests threatens the worlds' lungs, poaching in Africa kills hundreds of elephants and rhinocerous every year, far more than the birthrate of these species. Our oceans are so choked with plastic that we eat plastic granules in our food every day while marine life slowly dies from human poisoning.........By pointing out this item on the BBC website my aim was to inform and to stimulate intellectual debate but instead all I hear is curmudgeonly griping, poo-pooing, and general apathy, not only in this thread but increasingly on many threads where a select few constantly put down debate with peurile personal attacks...............blaming everyone but yourselves you can be smug in the knowledge that none of it was your fault because you did nothing -- well done you.

I think that you have illustrated the bulk standard stereotypical british attitude to most things beautifully - denial - panic - blame others and bury head in sand.
Again WELL DONE THAT MAN.:winner1st:
 
Be interested in the source of your figures/facts!...and please not the BBKA annual amateur survey.
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I don't know what the prior stats were but world honey production has been rising since 2000
https://www.statista.com/statistics/755215/natural-honey-production-volume-worldwide/

So I assume the bee population follows.

So factually the BBC are at least 18 years out of date. Period. No room for debate.

We are talking honey bees here, NOT other pollinators.

Edit: see also https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sites/agriculture/files/honey/market-presentation-honey_en.pdf

which has similar statistics...

IT is unforgivable to do no basic research on the subject.. I found the above in 10 minutes.

:iagree:

We really do need a 'like' button on this forum :)
 

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