Any skep makers?

[Beefriendly]

Just accept it..... Abelos are fragile

The point is they are no more fragile than any other poly hive.
All will break if dropped when full of 30lb+ of honey.
Mpenn has made a good point are your hives Abelo? Or are you, like several others, dissing them but never used them....

I think we need pictures of their supposed fragility .. hard evidence, not rhetoric.
I shall post a picture later today of one of my Abelo roofs where a heavy hoist from the garage rafters accidentally fell onto it. There is a dent as you might expect...

 

[Swarm]

Not interested in your silly jokes, I have taken pics and will post them tonight.

 

[mpenn]

I have Abelo and Swienty they are both equal in terms of being fragile.

 

[local_beekeeper]

Most beekeepers whinging on this forum probably have never had any hives from Abelo or seen any honey in the hives. Perhaps, not the hive the problem .....

 

[Poly Hive]

But not all.... not all...

PH

 

[Swarm]

Most beekeepers whinging on this forum probably have never had any hives from Abelo or seen any honey in the hives. Perhaps, not the hive the problem .....

Some jump to conclusions when posting.

 

[user 6228]

metal screws in poly hive? Thats going to be a thermal bridge. I understand putting in while the glue sets but a solution that means it isnt there permanently would be an improvement.
External glued on folded sheet metal reinforcement of the corners might be a solution. I tried that on my PIR hives which are more fragile and it worked quite well.

 

[mpenn]

metal screws in poly hive? Thats going to be a thermal bridge. I understand putting in while the glue sets but a solution that means it isnt there permanently would be an improvement.
External glued on folded sheet metal reinforcement of the corners might be a solution

Here we go more pointless tripe.

 

[user 6228]

Here we go more pointless tripe.

Please explain?

 

[mpenn]

Does it relay matter if there are some metal screws in a poly box ?

 

[Beefriendly]

metal screws in poly hive? Thats going to be a thermal bridge. I understand putting in while the glue sets but a solution that means it isnt there permanently would be an improvement.

An improvement on what?
If you were really observant you would notice it isn't even on a hive....so it makes no odds to the bees whether it is leaking heat or not.
LOL.
And when they are on hives and filling with nectar they fill just as fast, so in real "hands on" practical terms having a screw or a nail in makes Eff all difference to them.
What screws and nails do is make sure that the repair is actually stronger than the original fracture.

Note to self....try to drop less supers filled with honey...
Now can anyone who has dropped a wooden super filled with honey tell us if the super was repairable or had to be binned?

 

[thorn]

Both my bees and I love our Abelo poly hives. I'm in my third season with them and haven't found them fragile. A lid dropped 8 feet from the air raid shelter roof last autumn, and was undamaged. Perhaps there was a bad batch once which has sparked the comments, but my experience has been wholly positive.

 

[Beefriendly]

Both my bees and I love our Abelo poly hives. I'm in my third season with them and haven't found them fragile. A lid dropped 8 feet from the air raid shelter roof last autumn, and was undamaged. Perhaps there was a bad batch once which has sparked the comments, but my experience has been wholly positive.

Couldn't agree more.
This roof (before it lost the chip), was on top of 6 empty brood boxes on a hive stand that got blown over last autumn onto my concrete back yard. It bore the brunt of the damage, the rest of the brood boxes where fine, slight scratch here and there.
The roof has been stood outside all winter with no protection and the exposed poly is not "crumbly" or flaky in the slightest. I still have the chip to glue back (shock horror Derek) with some metal screws.
I don't consider this material to be fragile or something likely to explode if someone throws a stone at it.

 

[Beefriendly]

I had a similar experience with another Abelo roof in my garage. Managed to drop a heavy hoist weighing about 10lbs from my garage rafters onto the poly roof . I was rummaging around for some bits and pieces and dislodged the hoist.

Yes it made a dent and the paint has come loose but as I can only blame myself for the incident ...small price to pay....
Does this look like fragile material that will shatter apart if you throw a stone at it....
I'll let you make your own minds up.

 

[Swarm]

Of course, you think you are right because you think so highly of yourself. In another thread you were an expert labelling machine so I wasn't surprised to see you reply with your usual insults.
Why don't you stop playing with words and simply call me a liar? It amounts to the same, with your challenges and stupid photographic evidence.

I seem to recall you had the same exchange with ITLD, who said the same as me. To me you either have an interest in the company or are desperate to prove your choice of poly hive has to be the best (because you chose it) Either way I couldn't give a stuff, I'll post the evidence later lol.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Now can anyone who has dropped a wooden super filled with honey tell us if the super was repairable or had to be binned?

Dropped the odd few over the years, not had any wooden supers break, but have had a few where the frame end lugs have snapped off.

Often use empty ones as ekes when syrup feeding in autumn and when finished they are quite often thrown/flung out over a fence to pick up, bit rough, but they stick it okay, poly ones also stick it okay, but occasionally get a bit of damage when a wooden one lands on it awkwardly.

 

[Beefriendly]

To me you either have an interest in the company or are desperate to prove your choice of poly hive has to be the best (because you chose it) Either way I couldn't give a stuff, I'll post the evidence later lol.

You obviously do give a stuff otherwise why take the time to write such an insulting ad hominem post.
I can assure I have no financial interest in the company. Not quite true, as they (Abelo) have taken a lot of money from me over the years and probably will do so for a considerable few more. Logical really, as they are my nearest Beekeeping suppliers.
My interest here is when I see people wrongly attributing properties to anything that is incorrect. Like

Brittle as chuff.
I dread to think what damage could be done to an abelo hive by stone throwers, they'd probably shatter.

And why will your pictures not be stupid whereas, in your opinion, mine are?

I'm not calling you or anyone else a liar, certainly not on a publicly read forum. But if you do have a really crumbly roof, then surely the answer is to contact Abelo and see if they will replace it rather than write a derogatory diatribe suggesting all their equipment will shatter at a "stones throw". As Thorn says perhaps you were unfortunate and got a rogue one.

 

[Beefriendly]

when finished they are quite often thrown/flung out over a fence to pick up, bit rough, but they stick it okay, poly ones also stick it okay,

Seems like you beekeep a bit like me at times....
I had to abandon one wooden super after the frames split apart. I'd like to think I recollected the honey the following week in the supers..

 

[Anduril]

The Apiarist website suggests using gorilla glue and wooden dowels, bamboo barbecue skewers, can also be used for repairing poly hives.
I have Swienty and Maisies and have also manipulated an Abelo hive, the owners had to cut the top bar lugs down to size to make them fit (DN4), this was something I observed with that particular hive. Swienty and Maisies are 100g/L Abelo 160g/L draw your own conclusions as to density, thermal efficiency and brittleness. But the bees were thriving.

 

[user 6228]

Does it relay matter if there are some metal screws in a poly box ?

a honey bees life is gathering energy for the colony at a rate of about 1.5mW (lifetime honey energy divided by 6weeks). So even small heat losses have consequences