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'Er indoors tells me there's a phone-in about anaphylaxis on the Jeremy Vine prog today (about now!).

I imagine it will be on catchup.

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Yeah... sounds like they might talk about the fact you can be fine for a while and then suddenly develop a proper allergy.

I find this interesting as I thought I was home free after confirming my first few stings I was absolutely fine, and still am... but maybe wise for me to not be too smug... I might get reckless and then get suddenly broadsided! Fortunately the stings are still painful enough and then 10 hours later comes the itch OH THE ITCH! So I still avoid... mostly... but still a quick check in the feeder often done with no protection... maybe time to change that approach!
 

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Yeah... sounds like they might talk about the fact you can be fine for a while and then suddenly develop a proper allergy.

I find this interesting as I thought I was home free after confirming my first few stings I was absolutely fine, and still am... but maybe wise for me to not be too smug... I might get reckless and then get suddenly broadsided! Fortunately the stings are still painful enough and then 10 hours later comes the itch OH THE ITCH!
One of our Association beekeepers suffered from anaphylaxic shock. It did not happen as a shock: she had prior warnings - felling unwell and chest tightness after stings and ignoring the effects. Then one day at the apiary, one sting and she was in an ambulance....

So don't ignore prior warnings...
 

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'Er indoors tells me there's a phone-in about anaphylaxis on the Jeremy Vine prog today (about now!).

I imagine it will be on catchup.

Dusty
I'm sorry - but I cannot stand the show or the presenter - and let's not mention all the thick witted daily mail readers that phone in. Any useful information will be buried amongst the mis informed rantings and (regardless of the subject) racist remarks about refugees and immigrants.
at least the Jimmy Young show was done tongue in cheek.
 

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Heard the good lady doctor, she didn't know a lot it seemed to me.
Talk of Adder bite and being fatal, Jeremy points out there's not been a recorded case in Britain and she apologised for not knowing, stating she is not a vet !!???

Apparently once a beekeeper develops anaphylaxis, that's it. She did mention epipens, said instructions for use are simple and they could save the life of the person suffering the attack.
No mention of desensitization courses.

A roofer phoned in to describe how he suffered after hornets but that bee stings a week or so earlier had little reaction. Ho also pointed out that wasps once left him in a bad way with his leg. Different venom didn't get a mention.

I was going to ring up but I couldn't be arsed.
 

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Didn't know that Martha Kearney had to give up due to this. Apparently her last programme about beekeeping saw medics behind the cameras just in case she got stung on set. After they stopped filming she sold her hives.
makes you think about being alone by your hives without a mobile phone and no-one knows you are there
 

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makes you think about being alone by your hives without a mobile phone and no-one knows you are there
I have my apiary OS grid ref on the bee shed so that emergency services can find it.
 

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She did mention epipens, said instructions for use are simple and they could save the life of the person suffering the attack.
With the catch 22 being that you can't get a prescription for one until you have suffered anaphylactic shock! There is no "just in case you ever do" scenario with the NHS.
 

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<snip> she had prior warnings - felling unwell and chest tightness after stings and ignoring the effects.
That's more consistent with Kounis rather than anaphylaxis. When both combine it can be a very grave combination because adrenaline can act to make things much worse.

Then one day at the apiary, one sting and she was in an ambulance....

So don't ignore prior warnings...
Hopefully she was OK!
 

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With the catch 22 being that you can't get a prescription for one until you have suffered anaphylactic shock! There is no "just in case you ever do" scenario with the NHS.
As one who carries two epipens, they can be equally dangerous if administered incorrectly: they could kill as well as save a life; hence why they don't give them out willy nilly.
My anaphylactic reation was a gradual but hardly noticeable reaction: slight weezing. Then after an association stung on forehead and just inside nose and had every reaction ecept passing out, ended up several hours in A & E.
Hospital suggested desensitastion but nothing from GP, apparently I've got to ask even though hospital sent notes to him.
I still keep bees but wear a full thick wide hat suit, wellies and thick gloves:hairpull: and usually not alone.
The doc did seem a bit light on subject knowledge for an expert.
Be careful out there.
 

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Don't forget doctors know a little about a lot, don't expect them to be experts on every medical condition
 

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Don't forget doctors know a little about a lot, don't expect them to be experts on every medical condition
But you would expect that when they are asked to appeqr on a programme about anaphylactic reactions!
 

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It's the vet comment that tickled me.
 

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As one who carries two epipens, they can be equally dangerous if administered incorrectly: they could kill as well as save a life; hence why they don't give them out willy nilly.
My anaphylactic reation was a gradual but hardly noticeable reaction: slight weezing. Then after an association stung on forehead and just inside nose and had every reaction ecept passing out, ended up several hours in A & E.
Hospital suggested desensitastion but nothing from GP, apparently I've got to ask even though hospital sent notes to him.
I still keep bees but wear a full thick wide hat suit, wellies and thick gloves:hairpull: and usually not alone.
The doc did seem a bit light on subject knowledge for an expert.
Be careful out there.
I tried to talk to my doctor about all of the medication I take and if it could react with a sting after a discussion with the good Doctor on this forum. My doctor snubbed it. Jack of all trades, master of none.
 
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I tried to talk to my doctor about all of the medication I take and if it could react with a sting after a discussion with the good Doctor on this forum. My doctor snubbed it. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Dichlorphenic can make sting reactions more severe.

There is anaphalaxis

There is shock


Anaphalatic shock is wrong.. to be pedantic.

There have been deaths from Adder bites in the UK... probably as with deaths from bee stings.. fortunately very rare.

SWMBO listened to programme and her only comment was that it was easily for one to become misconstrued by the muddly comments... but then she had an expensive and elite private education with electrocution lessons and everything!

:hairpull: dyslexia spelling.. please forgive:hairpull:

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As one who carries two epipens, they can be equally dangerous if administered incorrectly: they could kill as well as save a life; hence why they don't give them out willy nilly.
My anaphylactic reation was a gradual but hardly noticeable reaction: slight weezing. Then after an association stung on forehead and just inside nose and had every reaction ecept passing out, ended up several hours in A & E.
Hospital suggested desensitastion but nothing from GP, apparently I've got to ask even though hospital sent notes to him.
I still keep bees but wear a full thick wide hat suit, wellies and thick gloves:hairpull: and usually not alone.
The doc did seem a bit light on subject knowledge for an expert.
Be careful out there.
Russel, do ask your GP. It'll only take a few moments, and those few moments could change your life. It looks as if there's an allergy clinic at Cardiff http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/home.cfm?orgid=974
We offer outpatient clinics for the diagnosis and management of allergies, including desensitisation immunotherapy where appropriate. Anaphylaxis represents the most severe end of the spectrum of allergic disease, and the Resuscitation Council UK guidelines advise that all patients who have suffered an episode of anaphylaxis are referred to a specialist allergy clinic to allow the identification of any triggers, reduce the risk of future episodes and to prepare the patient to manage any future episodes.​
Have you read DP's thread about desensitisation?
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21905
 

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Russel, do ask your GP. It'll only take a few moments, and those few moments could change your life. It looks as if there's an allergy clinic at Cardiff http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/home.cfm?orgid=974
We offer outpatient clinics for the diagnosis and management of allergies, including desensitisation immunotherapy where appropriate. Anaphylaxis represents the most severe end of the spectrum of allergic disease, and the Resuscitation Council UK guidelines advise that all patients who have suffered an episode of anaphylaxis are referred to a specialist allergy clinic to allow the identification of any triggers, reduce the risk of future episodes and to prepare the patient to manage any future episodes.​
Have you read DP's thread about desensitisation?
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21905
On the to do list. The association is arranging for one their staff to come and give talk. Bit of a wake up call for them.

Yes I did.
 

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Dichlorphenic can make sting reactions more severe.

There is anaphalaxis

There is shock


Anaphalatic shock is wrong.. to be pedantic.

There have been deaths from Adder bites in the UK... probably as with deaths from bee stings.. fortunately very rare.
SWMBO listened to programme and her only comment was that it was easily for one to become misconstrued by the muddly comments... but then she had an expensive and elite private education with electrocution lessons and everything!

:hairpull: dyslexia spelling.. please forgive:hairpull:

Nos da
They maybe rare but 70% of all Anaphylaxis deaths in the UK are now due to Bee and Wasp stings, its now a lot worse than any food allergy due to the fact that GPs don't know enough about it.

Maybe Jezza should have looked at this site before he did the phone in. http://www.beeresistant.com/
 

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They maybe rare but 70% of all Anaphylaxis deaths in the UK are now due to Bee and Wasp stings, its now a lot worse than any food allergy due to the fact that GPs don't know enough about it.

Maybe Jezza should have looked at this site before he did the phone in. http://www.beeresistant.com/
Anaphylaxis isn't the primary danger though. Kounis is. Mast cell degranulating peptides destabilize mast cells creating all sorts of mayhem in the body especially when other hymenopteran venoms then act as haptens. From what I can tell this is more of an issue with wasp stings than bee stings but should still be born in mind if after being stung you develop the cardinal symptoms of Kounis. Importantly, Kounis doesn't appear to be limited to coronary vessel involvement. It can also precipitate strokes.
 
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