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Somerford 

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Hi Mark

I was thinking while using the search facility the other day (and failing to find what I was looking for) whether the forum was at a stage to be able to start categorising the threads that are useful from an information point of view in a simple ABC listing....for instance S - Swarm Control, Swarming, Syrup etc and then links to the necessary threads ?

Obviously some threads would never show up, particularly those of an opinion related nature, or non-bee chat, but I think this might help, new and old beeks alike.

Obviously categorising these threads would require a re-reading of threads, and this could be achieved by perhaps a few of us acting as moderators for this part of the site, then submitting the thread to be added and the heading (A,B,C & title etc)

what do you think ?

regards

S
 

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RAB - if you read my post, I tried the search facility but it couldn't pick up what I was searching for......

And for some new beeks, they might not know what they are looking for, but require help all the same (known unknowns and all that)

S
 

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Maybe a knowledge base, possibly wiki based might be better.

It's a different subject entirely, but all this wiki grew out of a internet newsgroup.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk
 

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I think a wiki would be great.

There is one on the Weather forum I use. Several "experts" are able to contribute to it so the workload doesn't all fall on Admin.
 

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Search means search? Search harder. Maybe educate people to post a proper title.

Have more threads instead of 'digressions' within threads?

Would it help? No. There are too many out there that would rather put on another thread, than search the archives.

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Search means search? Search harder. Maybe educate people to post a proper title.

RAB
Thats a good point,I do sometimes add a word or two to a thread title so its not just "Help" but rather "Help my bees tried to swarm"..

Regards setting up a Wiki: I have know idea if members want one but have set them up before so have no problem software wise getting one up and running.

Do we need one ? thats up to members to decide.
 

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What is the definition of a "Wiki" I know there is a huge so called wikipedia about but I never use it just know of it.

I agree with Rab that far too many just rattle the keys rather than search but given the response to the push to search then why bother as obviously people are naturally so damn lazy they won't bother anyway.

Another forum tried to persuade peeps to search first as is the usual on any sizeable forum but they won't do it.

Shrug.

PH
 

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You could (just) use the Tags/Tag Cloud facility........
 

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What is the definition of a "Wiki" I know there is a huge so called wikipedia about but I never use it just know of it.
Basically it's user edited, usually relatively 'static' content. It's anything you want it to be. For instance someone writes an article from scratch or copies it from a forum post on a specific subject that gets asked about again and again. Someone else expands it with more text or photos, key words are linked to definitions, articles are linked and there is a hierarchy with categories. The entire site is searchable.

Wikipedia, the best known wiki is a user edited encyclopedia that now has lots of articles on bees and beekeeping

So, for example on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee

Links to an article on honey bees that is the collaborative contribution of hundreds of people. You read it and you find something is wrong. YOU can edit it. The content is freely usable by anyone.

the 'en' means english

look on the left hand menu for Francais click on it and you get the article in French

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(genre)

click on Cymraeg and you get article in Welsh

http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwenynen_Fêl

All have been separately written but they use common resources like photos or diagrams.

Back to English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Beekeeping

This lists 100+ articles in the category Beekeeping

Under V we have Varroa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa

from this article we can click on a link to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa_destructor

and then see the spread around the world seeing it got to England 1992

alternatively just search from the search box on just about every page

for instance

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=varroa+england

Shows the search results on varroa england

we have

1) Varroa destructor

2) Beekeeping in the United Kingdom

etc

Click on the latter and there is a link on the page to the Bees Act 1980

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bees_Act_1980

which has a link to the full text of the legislation

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=1507973

You get the idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics

shows there are over 3.3 million articles and have been nearly 400 milllion edits.
 

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I realise a portion might exist on wikipedia, but to have our own resource here, rather than having to sift through a whole raft of threads as I often do to find a specific answer to a subject, would not only make our lives easier but also add huge value to the forum, taking it to the next step above the competition.

regards

S
 

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Thinking about it, do you not need to take a step back and remember what the forum is?

It is not really a data base by its design, but random and flowing peoples thoughts. i.e a Fourm.

Many view the forum as their on-line beekeeping club, and it sits nicely between a chat site and wiki etc

So yes, maybe the old stalwarts need to accept that the same old questions will be asked time after time, and you will get people just listing their question title as just "HELP NEEDED".

But people will answer them! Is this not why and how the forum is what it is now?
 
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Thinking about it, do you not need to take a step back and remember what the forum is?

It is not really a data base by its design, but random and flowing peoples thoughts. i.e a Fourm.

Many view the forum as their on-line beekeeping club, and it sits nicely between a chat site and wiki etc

So yes, maybe the old stalwarts need to accept that the same old questions will be asked time after time, and you will get people just listing their question title as just "HELP NEEDED".

But people will answer them! Is this not why and how the forum is what it is now?
Yes......and the often stock reply of "Use the search facility" or "Google it" is not really in the spirit of a forum.........I for one moved over here away from that mentality which is rife on the you-know-where forum, but it crops up often enough here too.

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