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I'd guess greed, it's cheaper to buy in foreign bees and forget about the ecosystem and native bees when they can make more money? This is how we've ended up with the varroa problem to start with after all?

I didnt lol I quoted on the invasive species cocking up the ecosystem?! What was your question I've lost track?

Lol why is this derogatory, YouTube is a great platform for watching seminars of actual experts...........try it sometime you might gain abit more understanding before you start throwing clever quotes about. QUOTE="jenkinsbrynmair, post: 797080, member: 5111"] another yootoob 'expert' then

No I havnt done any research, I just watch the videos of scientists that do it for a living. I suggest you take a look yourself id start with the link I shared.

No I didn't read it again before you waste my time, I said the hygienic gene wastes the bees energy in nature. I did not say anything about propolis you added that for some reason?!

What part don't you agree with?

There is more aggressive bees than others, when you mix diffrent subspecies with others they can become more aggressive don't see you point? Yea you have just reinforced my point, black bees moved to climates that are not native to them tend to die out, like I said moving none native honey bees...

Read it properly again, in nature its undesirable. Why on earth wpuld any of the traits you mentioned be undesirable?!

I dont know what bees are native in Finland, in England its the black bee, the aggressive behaviour of buckfast f2 is because the genes of the buckfast are not meant to be in the uk its is due to humans importing them, if you persist with the buckfast open mating after several generations you...

Why is it that for many thousands of years the native bees survived and through many different situations? Take your buckfast bee you buy one in leave it a year or two and have to buy in more because the stock shows f2 or f3 aggression (that is a human manipulation that will have lasted less...

How is because they evolved over a tens of thousands of years to survive hear, not afew tens of years of human manipulation?! I know USA don't have native apis mellifera of any kind........ I stated that above if you read the full posts not just the bits that upset you!

There's not much to debate with imports vs natives really, any fool can see the benefits of native stock in its own environment is beneficial. I only have a basic knowledge of genetics, but there's a reason bees living in the wild unkept and varroa treatment free live on.......... I very much...

I dont think the videos conclusion was about breeding for specific traits, it was about how the native bees genetics seem to be favorable over imported stock. It touchs on the survival rates of bees left to their own devices and breeding. The point I'm making as stated above in my first post was...

You know that bees carry varroa when they swarm don't you? Even with a brood brake the varroa are still present, as I said it does help but it does not stop varroa. I dare say there are kept bees that could breed with Seeleys wild bees, but again from what I rememeber its not likely. I bet you...

I'll look again but I don't rememeber the swarming 5 times a year.

No again I don't go looking for them, as I said above the evidence Seeley gathered from pre varroa and after (more than 25 years?) Shows the same amount of colonys in the area surely this shows the bees have survived? How do you spose the bees like rabbits survive in the wild? I'd say it was...

Yea thats why I said the general consensus is around 95% loss in none treated colonys? In the area there is nearly the same number of colonys now as there was pre varroa, again I would take this as the bees are resistant of the mites how else would you measure survival rates?

I'd disagree, try leaving your bees with no varroa treatment I think the given mortality is around 95%? Swarming is a tool to reduce varroa but will not eradicate them as shown by Seeley the truly wild colonys his research is based on still has varroa and survives? The nature of honey bee...

That's not fully correct, wild living colnys don't always die, they do however move on to new places quite often and when there is no human intervention there is obviously no chemical treatments yet they do survive and in the USA where they keep Apis melifera of diffremt subspecies all are none...

What makes you think a wild colony hasn't interacted with kept colonys? Why could they have not interacted on a minimal scale? You can go looking for the end of rainbows if you like but your probably more likley to find more wild colonys in areas where there is less human intervention.