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Forgot that I hadn't said a public THANK YOU to the Forum Members that helped me with this (including PM's), the results are potentially very positive and may yield some very interesting fruit over the next couple of years. I'll keep you all updated if there is any progress, I believe there will...

Ruttner authored a Book (with BIBBA) based upon wing morphometrics of Apis mellifera collected in Britain before 1869...

I assumed that this https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/forums/native-bee-wasp-species.88/ was the Sub Section on this Forum for Amm's ?

Ah ye of little faith.... breeding efforts are at an advanced stage! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/af/25/46af25ead9cc0964e01a8d44623b961c.jpg

I think that the bees make the cells as circles, but then they heat them to a temp. that makes the beeswax err snap into place, forming a hex shape, similar to the way multiple soap bubbles snap together when they make contact, to create flat surfaces between them.

This is probably the best Article I can find to explain the concept to those unfamiliar with it, https://www.apiservices.biz/en/articles/sort-by-popularity/772-housel-positioning-2002 (NB: READ Michael Palmer's Post #3 above before coming to any conclusions) My two cents: I want to believe in...

That's sad, I was just listening to a recent interview with him the other day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson#The_Ants,_1990

I have a friend that sat beside this boy in (Catholic) school, one day he leaned in and whispered "my middle name is Mary... please don't tell anyone", I think he just needed to tell someone.... in the same friends house is a school photo of his daughter's all girls school, one day when standing...

we should get ourselves organized and join BeeBreed.eu (or an Irish/British? equivalent)??? but that would mean characteristics would be able to be compared across bees, which I think would be a good thing overall. But I think many Queen rearers (breeders) are more concerned with genetics and...

Hi Lislarybees I do not understand why you are saying the below statements??? Correct, EVERYONE that I know and have read is saying they are the same... I do not understand why you have said something everyone is also saying, and that no one that I am aware of would disagree with? BECAUSE the...

Thanks for that full reply, - you should make no apology, the apology should come from elsewhere.. ... Yes, I've observed in some hives Chalkbrood is a problem, I know beeks that have had it virtually over an entire frame! But I have also read that bees with a high Hygienic Trait (identified...

Prrŕrrrrtnjk ;)

Until recently it was the A.m.mellifera and A.m.iberiensis, but the iberiensis (Spain) appears to be being removed, while the A.m.sinisxinyuan (western China) has been added. Basically the recent research says they have no idea where the M lineage came from and how it got there!

Fascinating research, I knew I had read something like this a couple of years ago and have been trying to find it since I heard a webinar about further research which supported it! .... but you do know the consequences of this research (and the as yet unpublished research I viewed in a...

NO my friend you are WRONG :) I couldn't believe it myself when I read it, surely this can't be right I thought, so here's a quote from the proposed Legislation in Ireland going through the Irish Senate: " PROTECTION OF THE NATIVE IRISH HONEY BEE BILL 2021... Definitions 1. In this Act— ...

I don't believe it, we've been using genetic analysis in which there was an error. Also this Paper seems to be saying that the Apis mellifera iberiensis is NOT a member of the M Lineage, that's very significant, it means that the AMM the Black Bee is Asian!

I wasn't aware of this; it was my understanding that the A. m. iberiensis of the M Lineage DID NOT descend from the A m. intermissa (from Marocco) of the A Lineage ... but the O Lineage evolved from the A Lineage, and from the O Lineage the separate C (carnica, ligustica, etc.) and M...

Strictly speaking you're incorrect :) IF it is an AMM, then by virtue of it being an AMM it is automatically a Native Irish Bee ... even if it is living in southern France. However just to be clear, I was not suggesting anyone is planning on bringing AMM from outside Ireland, I'm just wondering...

yes I understand what you are saying; it's just I was so taken aback whenever I read the Bill going through the Senate to see that it was defining "Native Irish Honey Bees" as merely Apis mellifera mellifera, which means the legislation will STILL allow imports of Honey Bees ... from...

Thanks for that info. completely unaware of it.... so in theory if the need arose black bees could be imported from southern France... Yes, but what I was thinking of was along these lines: I've just discovered that there is a Bill starting to go through the legal hoops in the Republic of...